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Originea Oceanelor
« : Aprilie 29, 2008, 09:27:49 p.m. »
Una dintre cele mai faimoase lucrari ale lui I. Velikovsky, colegul de camera al lui A. Einstein, Origins of Oceans, superb argumentat:

THE ORIGINS OF THE OCEAN by Immanuel Velikovsky

It must have been at the very beginning of my occupation with the problems later developed in my books and in not yet published manuscripts, that I came upon the question of the origin of salts in seas and oceans. The common salt is a substantial ingredient of the oceanic content, or, said differently, the water of the oceans and seas contains a substantial solution of NaCl, or sodium chloride. Even though our blood and tissues abound in sodium chloride, man and animals are not adapted to drink salty water, and life on land could develop only thanks to the evaporation of the water from the surface of seas and oceans, or to distillation—the evaporating water is free from salts. Falling as rain or snow or dew, it feeds underground sources and also glaciers, and through them the brooks and rivers and lakes, and is delivered to our use usually through concrete tubes and metal pipes.

Of the salts of the seas sodium chloride is by far the most abundant. The provenance of it is, however, a riddle. It was, and still is, assumed that the salts in the oceans originated mainly through importation from land, having been dissolved from rocks by flowing rivulets and rivers, themselves fed by underground sources, and the same process working on the rocks of the seabed. Terrestrial formations are rich in sodium, and in eons of time, it is assumed, the sodium washed out of the rocks supplied its content to the oceans; the seas evaporate and the concentration of these salts grows. But the rocks are by far not so rich in chlorine, and hence the problem—from where did chlorine come to contribute its abundance to oceanic water? There is chlorine in source water, but usually not in significant amounts. The proportion of salts in the rivers is very different from their proportion in the seas. River water has many carbonates (80 percent of the salts), fewer sulphates (13 percent) and still fewer chlorides (7 percent). Sea water has many chlorides (89 percent), fewer sulphates (10 percent) and only a few carbonates (0.2 percent). The comparison of these figures makes it clear that rivers cannot be made responsible for most of the salts of the seas. Therefore it is also obvious that there is no proper way of calculating the age of the Earth by comparing the amount of salts in the seas with the annual discharge by the rivers; the most that can be done in this respect is to calculate the rich amount of carbonates in the rivers in their relation to the relatively poor concentration to these salts in the seas; but then there will be no explanation for the rich concentration of chlorides in the seas in comparison with their poor concentration in the rivers.

A part of the salts could be traced to the washing of lands and the floor of the seas; chlorine is known also to be discharged by volcanoes, but to account for the chlorine locked in the seas, volcanic eruptions, whether on land or under the surface of the seas, needed to have taken place on an unimaginable scale—actually, it was figured out, on an impossible scale. Thus it was acknowledged that the provenance of chlorine in the salts of the seas is a problem unsolved.

Paleontological research makes it rather apparent that marine animals in some early age were more closely related to fresh-water fauna; in other words, the salinity of the oceans increased markedly at some age in the past.

The most obvious and permanent effect of a deluge of extraterrestrial origin on the Earth would be the increase in its water volume and of the place occupied by the seas. Presently four-fifths of the Earth are covered with water. A stupendous addition of water to the Earth should have decreased, not increased its salinity, if the water came down in a pure state. But if the Earth was showered by torrents of hydrogen and water some other ingredients of extraterrestrial origins could also have swept across the Earth’s orbit.

In the Buddhist book on “The World Cycles,” the Visuddhi-Magga, where the catastrophes that terminated the world ages are described, it is said:


But when a world cycle perishes by water . . . there arises a cycle-destroying great cloud of salt water. At first it rains with a very fine rain which gradually increases to great torrents which fill one hundred thousand times ten million worlds, and then the mountain peaks of the earth become flooded with saltish water, and hidden from view. And the water is buoyed up on all sides by the wind, and rises upward from the earth until it engulfs the heavens.(1)

Volcanoes which were active during the cataclysm of the Deluge and during other cosmic upheavals vomited sulphur, chlorine, and carbonates, and contributed to the composition of the salts of the oceans. Carbonates fell on Earth in large quantities in some of the upheavals, certainly in the one which took place in the middle of the second millennium before the present era, at the very end of the Middle Kingdom in Egypt, an upheaval described in detail in Worlds in Collision. But a major portion of the chlorine in which the oceans are so rich must have come from an extraterrestrial source.(2)

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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #1 : Aprilie 29, 2008, 10:14:27 p.m. »
Salut, Sankohhan! Poti rezuma in cateva randuri ce zice aceasta teorie a originii oceanelor?
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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #2 : Aprilie 30, 2008, 10:09:01 p.m. »
Adi, trebuie sa-ti faci timp sa citesti tot materialul postat de mine...nu merge cu rezumat...nu cred ca ai citit pana acum macar vreo 5% din ce am postat...si e pacat...pentru ca vei gasi raspunsurile la intrebarile tale legate de quantum mechanics...vezi ce ti-am scris si pe privat...
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rarely makes its way by gradually
winning over and converting its
opponents: What does happen is that
the opponents gradually die out."
M. Planck

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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #3 : Mai 01, 2008, 12:05:45 a.m. »
Buna Sandokhan, sa stii ca eu te apreciez mult, mai ales ca am simtit ca ai suflet bun cand mi-ai scris in privat. Tu nu esti rau, ci crezi ceva si simti datoria sa le revelezi si altora acest adevar. Si eu simt la fel despre stiinta, provacarile tehnologiei, educatie. Este drept ca nu am citit nici 5% din ce ai postat tu, dar asta e pentru ca ai postat foarte mult, pentru ca am fost ocupat cu coordonarea siteului Stiinta.info, concursului de eseuri de la Stiinta.info, acum siteul StiintaAzi.ro, asta in plus fata de cercetare si predat la facultate. Tocmai de aceea cred ca este foarte important ca tu sa fii capabil si sa depui efort sa faci un rezumat a ceea ce afirmi. Nu este usor, caci daca ar fi usor ar face toata lumea. Dar asigura ca mesajul tau ajunge la cat mai multi oameni si inca in forma inteligibila. Si in articolele de stiinta exista un rezumat si in articolele din ziar exista un sumar. In general intelegi ceva atunci cand poti sa exprimi pe scurt, in romana, cu cuvintele tale, fara termeni tehnici. Popularizare, ce sa mai. Chiar daca tu vorbesti de o idee altenativa la stiinta oficiala, si ea poate fi popularizata simplu si asta te invit eu sa faci aici. Electron a avut mult timp sa iti raspunda si il admir pentru asta. Dar eu nu am acest timp si am enumarat motivele mai sus. Totusi sunt curios in primul rand sa cum vezi tu lumea, apoi in al doilea rand de ce o vezi astfel. Cea cu Pamantul plat mi se pare cea mai intriganta, si te-am intrebat in alt post cum vezi treaba cu atmosfera, avioane, sateliti. Ma gandesc ca avioane esti de acord ca exista si zboara si nu este fals. Dar sateliti, crezi ca exista?

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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #4 : Mai 01, 2008, 12:09:47 p.m. »
Nu se mai poate accesa Critici ale paradigmei deloc, . Am sa postez mesajele cerute la celalalt sir de discutii; daca vrei tu Adi sa le muti aici dupa aceea...
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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #5 : Mai 02, 2008, 04:44:01 a.m. »
Buna Sandokhan, nu stiu la ce te referi. Se poate accesa Critici ale paradigmei, dovada ca ai scris chiar tu un post la topicul Originea Oceanelor care este in board-ul Critici ale paradigmei ... Si eu am putut scrie. Nu poti incepe un nou topic, la asta te referi? Incerc sa formez eu unul acum.
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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #6 : Iunie 08, 2008, 03:32:29 p.m. »
Legendele din mitologiile popoarelor antice despre Marele Potop:

http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

Stim ca acest Mare Potop a avut loc acum aproximativ 4,250 de ani, vezi articolul Datarea cu C14 - Un mare fals stiintific, dovezile fotografice/arheologice care ne arata ca dinozaurii traiau pe Pamant acum 4,000-5,000 de ani...


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Re: Originea Oceanelor
« Răspuns #7 : Iunie 09, 2008, 04:09:01 p.m. »
  Buna Spellbound,

    Link-urile pe care le-ai postat zici ca contin informatii despre mitologia unor popoare antice. Mai jos scrii ca "stim ca acest Mare Potop a avut loc acum aproximativ 4,250 de ani".  Tu faci deosebirea intre mitologie si adevar?
    As cere administratorilor sa ii oblige(incurajeze) pe cei care citeaza anumite surse sa si specifice care este autoritatea sursei citate. Sunt satul de link-uri catre site-uri cu bizarerii si fara nici o autoritate stiintifica.